Interesting vid from AccurateShooter showing F-Open coached shooting.
Watch the flags and see if you can work out which flag the coach is using for wind strength and which one for direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AHeh3nZm5c
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Interesting vid from AccurateShooter showing F-Open coached shooting.
Watch the flags and see if you can work out which flag the coach is using for wind strength and which one for direction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AHeh3nZm5c
Really want to get into this style if shooting.
Any clubs/ranges in the Manawatu/Wanganui region? Based in the Rangitikei.
@ebf ;)
Cheltenham is probably closest to you, nice bunch of shooters too, always fun to go there.
The range only goes out to 600yds, and is fairly sheltered, so you don't get to experience some of the wild winds of Seddon or Gisborne :D
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Thanks.... Will get in touch with them :)
Shit ebf that would have two be the most boring shit I've ever watched, sorry just my opinion, I realise there's a bit of skill there.
How well do these guys shoot on there own with no spotter, or wind flags at 1000yards?
haha Brads, it's an acquired taste :P
similar type scores for individual (at the top end). for open sights it is not uncommon to see the top guys doing sub 2 MOA (50.nn) with more than 5/10 of those shots being sub 1 MOA.
The americans use a different scoring system (coz they are special ;)) their 10 ring in F is effectively 1 MOA, and the X is 0.5 MOA
We use ICFRA scoring, so 6 ring is 1 MOA and V is 0.5 MOA. So an american 100.10 is about the same as our 60.10.
coached shooting is actually quite relaxing for the shooter, because all you concentrate on is letting off a perfect shot each time. you can stay in position during the entire string. if you do your own wind calls, you often have to look behind you, shift around etc.
in the uk you apparently shoot round robin, so single shots - shooter 1, shooter 2, shooter 3. this means that each shot is effectively a sighter and you really need to be on top of wind calls. it would be something to consider here, because rapid fire does tend to favour one competitor above another. at some of the ranges here, especially seddon you can go from calm to flip-flop wind that is enough to miss the entire target if you don't correct in 15 minutes.
Thanks:) it's obvisiouly something your passionate about:)
We are doing the same stuff with lr and elr steel shooting I guess just in a less controlled environment with hills and gullys thrown in to make the wind do strange stuff:)
I should add that some would find that boring :)
yip, it's definitely slower. kinda like playing chess with the wind... you need to be at the top of your game for 5 times 10 shot string spread thru the day, for nationals it is a whole week where the top guys make very few mistakes.
we do have plenty variation on the different ranges.
brancepeth in wairarapa has a hill and gully on the right, and very different wind effect from 600 back.
cheltenham has a shelter belt of trees on the left from 600 to 500.
whatawhata in hamilton you shoot over a gully. at 1000yds the best wind indicator according to the locals is the leaves right at the top of a big mother of a tree :D
seddon the wind is just MAD...
what NRA style does miss out on is up and down angle shooting and shooting from uncomfortable/strange positions.
We do strange positions:)
ebf can you see the marker from the last shot through your scope?
yup, no problems - the ones we use here are orange and about the size of a small apple. anything from 16 to 24 magnification is more than enough. i use 10x binocs when scoring.
the open sights guys use a spotting scope (they aim on the big black blob), but most f competitors just use the rifle scope. it is sometimes useful to have a spotting scope to check mirage. some of the f guys are starting to use serious magnification kit like 50 or 80 power, so they obviously do not have a very large field of view, so using a second scope for mirage or want to look at a particular patch of grass on the backstop etc
I reckon I would enjoy F-class.
Did a few years fullbore before I found sportingclays a bit more stimulating and social.
Travelling to chch all the time to shoot might get a bit much.
Would work out cheaper than sporting in the long run I reckon.
cool video. makes me want to get back out there, damb work gets in the way of everything.
we are using the electronic targets now. I actually prefured the old way like in the video, easyier to measure using the reticle and the spotter. (no spotter on electronic)
I don't find it boring at all. at least I wont until every shot is a centre, (which wont happen)
its interesting, I was told at trentham the open sight shooters were from memory as good, but im pretty sure better! scores than f-class. (maybe that was one person, I cant remember now.) but not having a scope doesn't give much away.
are you using flags shooting steel brads?
Bully, the Trentham comment was probably comparing TR with FTR, and yes, the top TR guys can keep up with or beat FTR scores.
FTR is generally considered easier, requires less positional training, breathing control etc. Wind calling skills for both are the same, both use 308.
F-Open is a different animal. More equipment based, and less affected by wind due to caliber/speed.
From this year both FTR and F-O will be shooting ICFRA 0.5 MOA SUPER-V targets, which should make things a bit more interesting especially at the longer distances, and spread the field a bit more. We shot super -V at Hamilton last year, and it really showed up a lot of the competitors. Need to go this way as it will be the only way kiwi shooters can become competitive at world level, and brings us in line with US and AUS.
Ah ok, the flags are just an indicator. Things like body position, breathing, trigger control etc would all apply. At the really high end I think it gets a lot more subtle than just flags, it's mirage, watching grass/vegetation etc.
The focus might be a bit different, because it is continued prescision over an extended course of fire, not cold bore single shot like hunting. A lot of it also has to do with competition. There are some really good shooters, who fold completely in competition against other people. Or someone that might be a shit hot LR hunter but could not keep shooting at peak level for hour after hour or day after day, it is a different kind of concentration.
So far I have met more hunters amongst the F side of the sport, not a lot in the TR ranks. @DAF might have an interesting take on this question.
From my side it has definitely made me more aware of fundamentals, and also a lot more comfortable with shooting at distance. But I like it mostly for the competitive side, most of my shooting life has been as a competitor in different disciplines. Can easily see myself getting into clay target in future, purely from a mental stimulation point of view.
@ebf im kinda interested in getting into F-class for a bit of something different.
are there grades or is it just f-open.?
what is a good score, what is an ok score and what is crap?
My next rig is almost set to go should have stock this week and going to give it good go with this new rig ;)
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where are you shooting abe? i seen that tube stock of yours on trademe, good platform?
I don't even compete.
I just take whatever calibre and shoot for practice and confirm my drops. you do have to have a scope that dials well though, and be fairly well on the money. theres no shooting from the hip. I shoot with the guys but I don't obey the rules as such. (I suppose I could fit under f-class rules. but for me its my personal standards im trying to improve not compete, its hunting practice)
its great to talk to the guys, and have a place that is basicly an approved long range, range.
you want each shot to be a bulls eye or the next ring out (v or 5 ring) to be competitive. but just do your best, practice makes perfect etc.
PerazziSC3 best thing would be to go to your local club once the season starts (mid sept) have a go and see which side of the sport you like.
FTR is scoped, rear rest, bipod, 308 or 223
F-open is anything under 8mm, no muzzle brakes, scoped, fixed rests. Typically 7mmWSM, 6.5-284 etc
If you go to Malvern, let me know, there is an old bugger there that could teach you heaps ;)
Scores, haha, depends on what everyone else is doing..
On last years system, good FTR score would be 49.nn or 50.nn, F-open good is 58, 59 or 60.
Crap scores is normally where I am at, hehe. Mid 40s at 300/500, low 40s at longs. I've shot a couple of 50s mostly at 500 and did well at superlongs, but am still serving my "apprenticeship" in the sport.
I remember what it was now. target rifle. d collings from our club won. her score would have won her ftr and got her 4th in f-open. which is pretty good for peep sights.
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Better than "pretty good" - Di and Mike have been shooting for ages, pretty potent duo to have in a club :thumbsup:
Club mate and I are planning on coming up for Te Puke champs in Oct, will be a new range for me.
@ebf
What front rest you use?
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Abe, currently using Davies Triggers bipod from Ausie, you need an anschutz rail for this one. Borrowed a Sinclair bipod before that (fits to sling stud) and started with a Harris.
For F-open, have a chat to DAF
i almost find that theres a completely different focus between f class and f tr especialy with target rifle shooters joining in. Having Ftr shooting a 50.10 instead of a 60 put a lot more emphisis on the all important 5 ring and making sure you keep it in there with f open having to just keep on knocking out centers. I started 6 or 7 years ago when the 50.10 was still in play so in my mind im still going for a perfect 350.something rather than a 420. think my best is 349.59. i beleive it was scored a 408/420. the way f tr is going i would strive to keep all your shots in the 5 ring, (2min) and youll win most ftr comps.
can someone like @ebf put a link up to a F class target we use here in new zealand.
cheers
Sorry mate forgot your ftr. Trying to decide what way to make mine up had a Google around and there's bloody heaps of trippy designs out there
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Cool way?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/24/u4umutyr.jpg
Easy way
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/24/ymy6u7y5.jpg
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PerazziSC3, it's a bit in flux at the moment, we are changing over to 1/2 minute super V
Have a look at Download your plotting sheets here... to get an idea
The actual dimensions are here: http://www.icfra.co.uk/FCRules_2009.pdf, I don't think the NRA NZ rules have been updated/published yet ?
The NRANZ uses 500yds target for 600, and the long range target for 800, 900 and 1000
Nice rifle he's using but it sort of remindes me of lawn bowls for shooters.no denying the talent some F class guys have.I doubt I have the discipline for it, small bore is about as far as I dare to get technical.I would say some F class guys would do well at the gun slingers.If I was a spotter I couldn't resist a shot of the paper for shits and giggles:P.
Good vid ebf
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/26/hu4equ3y.jpg
Here's the 1000 yard target centre
have they changed recently as that doesnt look like a nz target?
Stuart, DAF is part of the NZ FO team, that is probably an American target he shot overseas, but for 2014/15 the NZ super V is the same size as the US X (0.5 MOA).
Kinda like trying to shoot 10 shots into an apple at 1000 yds :D